Wuppertal Modification

[Maffegozer]

Hello,

Today I saw on www.emergency4.nl that the Wuppertal mod will end and never be released, only when a Patch 1.4 will come, the mod can be released.

This is because of:

Deutsch (sorry):

Unsere Idee, die wir "MapChange" nannten, brachte uns die Möglichkeit, insgesamt an die 100 verschiedene Einsatzkarten zu erstellen. Somit wäre ein Großteil der Wuppertaler Schauplätze 1:1 umsetzbar gewesen. Das System funktionierte gut, bis wir merkten, dass Emergency 4 einen dermaßen katastrophalen Fehler hatte, der für uns nicht kompensierbar war. Und zwar hat der Scriptinterpreter das Problem, dass bei einer gewissen Scriptgröße (KB Zahl) ein Fehler erzeugt wird, welcher zu einem kompletten Absturz von EM 4 führt.

Google Translate (english):

Our idea, which we called Mapchange ", brought us to a total of about 100 different applications to create maps. Somit wäre ein Großteil der Wuppertaler Schauplätze 1:1 umsetzbar gewesen. Thus, much of the venues in Wuppertal 1:1 would have been feasible. Das System funktionierte gut, bis wir merkten, dass Emergency 4 einen dermaßen katastrophalen Fehler hatte, der für uns nicht kompensierbar war. The system worked well until we realized that Emergency had so 4 is a catastrophic mistake that we could not be compensated. Und zwar hat der Scriptinterpreter das Problem, dass bei einer gewissen Scriptgröße (KB Zahl) ein Fehler erzeugt wird, welcher zu einem kompletten Absturz von EM 4 führt. And although the script interpreter has the problem that) for a certain script size (KB number, an error is generated, which leads to a complete crash of EM 4th Das Mapchange führte somit, sobald man einen Kartenwechsel machte, unweigerlich zu einem Totalabsturz des Programms. The Mapchange thus resulted, as soon as we made a map change, inevitably lead to a Totalabsturz the program.

Wuppertal Modification < source.

Wuppertal Modification is talking to Sixteen Tons, and they have got a meeting, where they will discuss about a possible Patch 1.4

Patch 1.4 would solve above problem,.

Also announced, that if a Patch 1.4 is released. the Wuppertal Modification can still end.. this because of 2 members of the modding team leaving, Sebastion and Fabio, Fabio is their main scripter, and without him, wuppertal would not be as far as they would be now.

Those leaving keeps only 2 members left: Ben and Phillip.

Lets hope that Wuppertal Modification will get the Patch 1.4, and that Fabio and Sebastion will not leave.

Please discuss here....

Regards, Maffegozer.

[martjuh.denB]

never use google translate

ther are still lots and lots of german pieces of text.

in a short way:

they wanted to make a map that is 1:1 scale, but in emergency 4 a script has a limit in it's kB

so if they make it bigger you get an error and possibly a crash.

the whole system works but the map isn't

i hope this is english enough ^^

[FFW Konstanz]

I'm very sad, because i thought it'll be the best mod for em4

[Guest Grug]

Who actually thought this mod was ever going to come out anyway?

[LACityFFengineCo287]

Who actually thought this mod was ever going to come out anyway?

1. You don't have to be such an a-hole.

2. There was talk of it releasing, and due to the major amount of scripting done, everyone who has watched it knew it would take a very, very long time. With what they have so far, it's probably into the millions, hundreds of millions, or more lines of scripts, due to the complexity necessary to use what they have created in probably almost a two-year time period. If you have played the RTS mod, then you would know how much they put into that.

If this patch 1.4 does get released, I wonder if that would open up many possibilities for other mod teams to make their maps much larger.

Hope it goes through for them!

Who actually thought this mod was ever going to come out anyway?

1. You don't have to be such an a-hole.

2. There was talk of it releasing, and due to the major amount of scripting done, everyone who has watched it knew it would take a very, very long time. With what they have so far, it's probably into the millions, hundreds of millions, or more lines of scripts, due to the complexity necessary to use what they have created in probably almost a two-year time period. If you have played the RTS mod, then you would know how much they put into that.

If this patch 1.4 does get released, I wonder if that would open up many possibilities for other mod teams to make their maps much larger.

Hope it goes/did/hopefully through for them!

[Guest Grug]

I'm not trying to be an asshole at all. Fact is though, look at the mods that get started but never get released. There are some mods out there that look like they are going to be absolutely fantastic but unfortunately due to time constraints and what not, aren't able to be finshed. =(

[Maffegozer]

Well i think if they have put so much work in to it, (20 months) that they are not just going to give up.

And they aren't giving up, not everyone is going to talk to 16 tons, just for a mod...

Why they did that? becuase they dont want to give up all this work!

[randomperson139]

If this patch 1.4 does get released, I wonder if that would open up many possibilities for other mod teams to make their maps much larger.

Some mod teams already know how to make the map bigger.

[Maffegozer]

yeah, but the problem is, there's a maximum!

patch 1.4 would solve that problem.

[randomperson139]

yeah, but the problem is, there's a maximum!

patch 1.4 would solve that problem.

OK.

[szron]

How about whole Emergency Planet Forum writing big petition to Sixteen Tons Entertainment to help Wuppertal Mod Team and relasing patch 1.4.

[martjuh.denB]

Wuppertal Modification is talking to Sixteen Tons, and they have got a meeting, where they will discuss about a possible Patch 1.4

Patch 1.4 would solve above problem,.

maybe we just let this all rest and we will see of or when it comes out

and maybe they get angry if we all send a letter^^

[LACityFFengineCo287]

maybe we just let this all rest and we will see of or when it comes out

and maybe they get angry if we all send a letter^^

More than likely not my good sir/mam, large companies like input into issues from people. If you can get a bunch of people, then they will do something about it.

[917893678251]

How about whole Emergency Planet Forum writing big petition to Sixteen Tons Entertainment to help Wuppertal Mod Team and relasing patch 1.4.

How about all the other forums too?

[puppysboy222]

I hope the patch makes the map bigger...Sucks how the mod might be stopped after so much effort

[Alex03]

I read it to ont the german forum. It is to sad, it lookd so very good

[Dosedmonkey]

There not going to release the mod because they can't make a map as big as they would like? Thats the most rediculious thing I have ever heard, its like they are trying to black mail 16 tonnes into releasing a patch, but its like blackmailing a president with photos of him sleeping with his own wife, its not going to really effect them. They can't make the mod exactly how they want, so they're throwing their rattles out of the pram and the modding community and their fans are the victims.

Hopefully they'll realise they can't force companies to do things for free, and will release the mod.

Pertition could of been a good idea, but the way wuppertal mod has gone about this is very silly.

[Forensics]

If a petition is started please let us know, I would like to sign.

[Sirius7dk]

There not going to release the mod because they can't make a map as big as they would like? Thats the most rediculious thing I have ever heard, its like they are trying to black mail 16 tonnes into releasing a patch, but its like blackmailing a president with photos of him sleeping with his own wife, its not going to really effect them. They can't make the mod exactly how they want, so they're throwing their rattles out of the pram and the modding community and their fans are the victims.

Hopefully they'll realise they can't force companies to do things for free, and will release the mod.

Pertition could of been a good idea, but the way wuppertal mod has gone about this is very silly.

Why is it silly of the Wuppertal group to approach Sixteen Tons? They seem to know what needs to be done in an eventual patch 1.4 and they are free to do it.

It is their choice that they will not release their mod unless they are 100% happy with it, a thing that they cannot be at the moment.

Instead of accusing them of being silly, we should thank them for exploring the possibilities for mods in EM4, and move the boundaries for what is and is not possible within a EM4 mod.

[Gilles3986]

Here a link to the whole story:

http://www.wuppertal-modifikation.de/board....php?page=Index

[Forensics]

Here a link to the whole story:

http://www.wuppertal-modifikation.de/board....php?page=Index

All of that in reasonable English: (There are a couple of grammar issues but it's understandable)

The forums are currently offline for the following reason (s):

Dear fans of Wuppertal modification

Unfortunately we have to tell you honestly that the Wuppertal modification, as it was planned and constructed in the last 20 months, can no longer be continued and will thus first time fully laid out on the ice. What led to these decisions and backgrounds who happen to come here, we try to bring you in this mail is now closer.

The Wuppertal Modifiaktion as such, had the revolutionary idea of using a Game ID to create a non linear career mode. That means we were able to combine different cards with each other interactively. Thus would march out on the card 1, a vehicle of the fire, and you switch to map 2, where the use occurs. Based on the Game ID could be accurately assessed, what time of day, the weather and which vehicles have been alerted as. These were then placed on the card, each time in the exact relative time as they had come into reality as well.

Our idea, which we called Mapchange ", brought us to a total of about 100 different applications to create maps. Thus, much of the venues in Wuppertal 1:1 would have been feasible. The system worked well until we realized that Emergency had so 4 is a catastrophic mistake that we could not be compensated. And although the script interpreter has the problem that) for a certain script size (KB number, an error is generated, which leads to a complete crash of EM 4th The Mapchange thus resulted, as soon as we made a map change, inevitably lead to a Totalabsturz the program.

The problem we have reported to the manufacturer, and have asked for help. Ralph Stock has offered to us then in a meeting to talk together about how we could resolve in a public patch 1.4 this error, and still would have been several other changes may be possible. This problem itself is known to us since the beginning of summer this year. We worked on a presentation that we wanted to make clear our problem.

Over time, there was the team itself but also personal differences should not be an advantage. Thus, the publication of the RTS version was certainly a success for the community and an enrichment in the mod landscape, but this decision to work on it, not worn by the team, but there was a certain individual decision. Here, various opinions have differed, whereupon the qualitative modding work was significantly cut back on the Wuppertal modification. The community came to this extent that one could simply see nothing new. That the greater was this impatience and distrust has increased some users, I think in the case is wholly understandable, if unfortunate.

But probably the biggest reason why the work of the Wuppertal modification is to be completed by the fact that two of our members will leave the modding team. For one thing Sebastian would like to adopt largely from the modding scene, and secondly, Fabio, who wants to better focus on other projects. Via Twitter that he has fueled the rumor mill was a little without something to read here in the forum, is not in the sense of the team and our real open information.

From the old iron are therefore now only Ben and Phillip remained. We will try to look for new ways to support the project in its Gernanliegen continue as such. For both of us, in any case, it is clear that we the Bergische Land, Wuppertal, and in particular the associated fire department will remain faithful, making the goal of a rescue simulation to create a model for Wuppertal, persists.

Been done on what surface it is whether EM 4, a different game or an in-house development is currently unclear. However, we will now not rush and make any hasty decisions. The first step is to Neufindung one powerful and motivated team in which are some of the modders Wuppertal modification (Luke, Flo 1, Flo 2, Jan, etc.) to be there again, with whom we can work reliably.

Passionate developers in the area of 3D Visalisierung, graphics and programming (C / C + +) are invited to take us in welcoming a new project under the arms. If Will brought up, so Phillip and Ben are available as contact person for questions. Interested may send us via email an informal application, in presenting her briefly, together with your skills. We will then set the new year with you together.

We at least hope that one or the other is a little understanding for this will not have a very simple situation. Just the withdrawal of Sebastian and Fabio presents us now relatively large problems that make impossible to pass-Continuation of the work. If we decide against EM 4, would the existing vehicles that we have the community be made available. Whether it is in Wuppertal, we design or publishing, but neutral to Dato still unclear. But around 200 vehicles just in the "would sink nothing" too bad ... to what extent this "sale will take place," we want to say at this stage but not yet.

Sorry for such long quote!

[szron]

It is so long I cant understand it.

Will they try to ask Sixteen to relase 1.4 and try to continue or not?

If anyone can tell me? :/

[danny96]

Here a link to the whole story:

http://www.wuppertal-modifikation.de/board....php?page=Index

Is there any english translate?

[Forensics]

Is there any english translate?

I have just posted one look on the top of this page

[erfd]

It is so long I cant understand it.

Will they try to ask Sixteen to relase 1.4 and try to continue or not?

If anyone can tell me? :/

They say they contacted them and are going to meet in person I think.