A Guide to the LAFD and assisting agencies....

[michaelny]

, but the short wheel base/utility body looks a bit strange.

yeah .... that's what I thought .... looks like someone welded a trailer and a cab together ...

[billyfromhill]

Thats about what I thought. Thanks, and the experimental rig is very interesting. Looks like it could be usefull, but the short wheel base/utility body looks a bit strange.

You can read about those odd rigs in the EMS captain section. They're not in use anymore.

[theparanoid]

yeah that should be about right ... here are another shot of a current version http://www.emergency...sp?PhotoID=7177

and here some other interesting shot of a experimental command unit http://www.flickr.co...lafd/232069663/

the first link is LA county Fire truck not a LAFD

[michaelny]

the first link is LA county Fire truck not a LAFD

I know and I am sure Xplorer4x4 knows as well .... this was just to give another view of the current suburban ..... but thanks for the heads up

and here is a shot of a " non " county ...current version

[Xplorer4x4]

Can Mike or any one provide pics of units in house at the stations covering the LAX Area? For example: Id really like shots kind of like this where you can see all the units in the station or even something along these lines: http://www.indianafiretrucks.com/pictures/vanderburgh/evansville/station-1.jpg (obviously not LA just example).

[billyfromhill]

Can Mike or any one provide pics of units in house at the stations covering the LAX Area? For example: http://www.flickr.co...ear/4593539437/ Id really like shots kind of like this where you can see all the units in the station or even something along these lines: http://www.indianafi...e/station-1.jpg (obviously not LA just example).

http://www.fs80.org/

They have just what you're looking for in the photo section. The website is slightly out of date though. The numbering for the three E-one tenders (see below) are now foam 180 , foam 280, and foam 380 instead of foam 1, foam 2, and foam 3. Crash 80 is still the same. I think they changed the numbers to differentiate better between all four crash tenders at the station, and the reason the E-ones start with 180 is because of crash 80.

As you can see foam 180 is in the LA mod. Hoppah should tweak the skin to say "180" instead of "1"

FS 51 has an RA and an engine.

You can obviously tell it's high time for Hoppah to update RA 51 ingame with a new skin and changed model. The old RA (like the one currently in the game) is now a reserve.

FS 95 has a TF, RA, and a squad but the squad is cross staffed (it's the only squad in the city that is like that).

And then you also have 5's just to the north and they have a TF, RA, USAR (which is cross staffed), BC, EM, and maybe a BLS RA.

[Xplorer4x4]

Great job on the pics but:

FS 95 has a TF, RA, and a squad

My heads not exactly with it lately, remind me what a TF is. Is the RA the same, as far as paint and and the model goes, as the one above or is it the reserve? Got any pics?

I am trying to understand the inner workings of the three LAX stations. Station 80 is obviously going to be primary for plane crashes and stand by for mayday landings, but what are the functions of 51 and 95? Is 51 and 95 geared more towards handling incidents that are not on the air field like a car fire or mva on the property? Do the tenders have jaws or are these stored on the Engine and/or Squad?

[billyfromhill]

Great job on the pics but:

My heads not exactly with it lately, remind me what a TF is. Is the RA the same, as far as paint and and the model goes, as the one above or is it the reserve? Got any pics?

I am trying to understand the inner workings of the three LAX stations. Station 80 is obviously going to be primary for plane crashes and stand by for mayday landings, but what are the functions of 51 and 95? Is 51 and 95 geared more towards handling incidents that are not on the air field like a car fire or mva on the property? Do the tenders have jaws or are these stored on the Engine and/or Squad?

A task force (TF) is a light force plus a four man engine.

Only station 80 and 51 have the yellow appratus. 95s is all red.

A quote from www.emtbravowest.com

51's first in district includes the LAX property except a small eastern portion of the south complex. (Runway 25R/L) That belongs to 95's. We also have the 105 freeway to the 405, Imperial HWY on the El Segundo border to Vista Del Mar, Dockweiler Beach, the RV lot at the beach, Hyperion Plant, the Scattergood (Red and White Smoke Stacks) DWP plant on the LA / El Segundo / Manhattan Beach Borders and the Radison Hotel on Century BLVD.

We (ENG and RA 51) respond to all runs at the terminals, maintenance hangars, and Cargo Areas at the airport. Engine 51 is attached to ARFF 80 on all Full (Aircraft Emergency) runs at the airport. We are interior attack on the aircraft after the crash rigs knock the bulk of the fire down. We will use Stair 80 to gain entry into the aircraft if at all possible. E 51 is also part of first alarm Structure assignments to Westchester, Playavista, and the Loyola Marymount campus. RA 51 only run calls on the airport and Hotel Row on Century BLVD.

The area around LAX is also busy. 5's will average more runs a shift because they have a Task Force, USAR, EMS and BC assigned there. 95's is a bit slower, but they will handle LAX when 51's is tied up on another run.

And another quote

We will respond as far as 63's first in on structure calls. OCD Keeps us at LAX almost 90% of the time. We do not move up either but anything's possible. As far as brush goes we are typicaly not assigned out of the city. If another Bel Air type fire happened in the city all bets are off, we're going. If anything major happens, Earthquake, Civil unrest, or a large scale emergency OCD will use us as needed. The only thing different from our rig and the others is the Lime green Paint and AFFF foam instead of Class A.

We routinely respond off the airport on a regular basis but it's usually restricted to Battalion 4 so we can return to LAX promptly. The reason for this is the complexity of responding on the airport property. Only Battalion 4 personel are certified to drive on the airfield. A company from another battalion cannot reach the apparatus floor of the firehouse without an escort. If you're not familiar with the service roads and taxiways you can cause an incursion involving an aircraft.

Both quotes refer to FS 51/80 and LAX operations.

In regards to the ambulances, the current LAFD RA 51 is the one below left. The reserve RA 51 is the one on the lower right. The one in the LA mod has been outdated since the LA mod first was released as the current RA 51 is a 2005 model while the LA mod was released in 2006.

[Xplorer4x4]

That about covers it. Just one last thing. If it was covered in the guide I missed it. Do ALS Rigs carry jaws and which of the LAX Rigs carry jaws?

Your officially my go to guy for info when Mikesphotos isnt around

[billyfromhill]

That about covers it. Just one last thing. If it was covered in the guide I missed it. Do ALS Rigs carry jaws and which of the LAX Rigs carry jaws?

Your officially my go to guy for info when Mikesphotos isnt around

What do you mean by ALS rigs? Do mean RAs or assessment engines?

I believe there are a few engines in the city that carry some sort of battery powered Holmatro tool, but I don't know which engines those are though. I also believe RAs carry bolt cutters and a hayward tool and some even carry extra equipment depending on what the station has a surplus of.

I don't know which crash tenders (if any) carry jaws.

[Xplorer4x4]

lol told you im not all here. ALS Rigs = ALS Engines.

I saw Jaws or some sort of extrication tool in one of the pics on fs80.org. I didnt necessarily mean the crash tenders have jaws or not,but was wondering which, if any, of the LAX units have extrication tools.

[Xplorer4x4]

Stumbled on this. What the heck is a USAR Tender?

[michaelny]

Stumbled on this. What the heck is a USAR Tender?

I assume that these units are " satallite units " to get additional personal and small equipment to and from the emergency scene

[billyfromhill]

I assume that these units are " satallite units " to get additional personal and small equipment to and from the emergency scene

I thought that's what plug buggies were for.

[michaelny]

I thought that's what plug buggies were for.

yeah you are right but have a look at this ....... this is basically the same

Dozer Tenders:

Figure 5-C - Dozer tender

Dozer tenders are utility vehicles used along side dozers when working on fire lines. They carry additional equipment necessary for brush firefighting operations, and also serve as a maintance vehicle for dozer work.

http://lafd.info/index.php?title=6/1_APPARATUS#.05_Tractor_Transports.2C_Dozers.2C_Loaders.2C_Dozer_Tenders.2C_Water_Tender

therefore I assume that the USAR Tender serves the same purpose

[dtmdragon]

Hi,

I was just wondering how the USAR units work in real life? How are they staffed? Are they cross-manned? How many staff respond on it?

Thanks,

Dan.

[njboy13]

Hi,

I was just wondering how the USAR units work in real life? How are they staffed? Are they cross-manned? How many staff respond on it?

Thanks,

Dan.

USAR means "Urban Search and Rescue." I believe the USAR in LA is staffed with 4 people on a truck, specially trained in Urban Search and Rescue, high risk environments (building collapse other structural damage that puts a structure at risk of collapse) trench rescues, confined space rescues, and I believe aircraft crashes as well.

I'm not sure if my info is all completely accurate, so anybody with corrections, please correct me.

[billyfromhill]

USAR means "Urban Search and Rescue." I believe the USAR in LA is staffed with 4 people on a truck, specially trained in Urban Search and Rescue, high risk environments (building collapse other structural damage that puts a structure at risk of collapse) trench rescues, confined space rescues, and I believe aircraft crashes as well.

I'm not sure if my info is all completely accurate, so anybody with corrections, please correct me.

That's incorrect.

There are six USARs in the LAFD (3, 5, 27, 85, 88, and 89). Out of the six, only USAR 88 is staffed 24/7 with two USAR certified firefighters. The other five USARs are cross staffed by firefighters from the task force at their station.

[michaelny]

that's quite a nice rig

California Office of Emergency Services Units

Model 34 Type 3 Brush Engine

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.code2high.com/LACoFD%2520Miscellaneous/lacofd_oes_type3_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.code2high.com/lacofd_miscellaneous.htm&usg=__jIP_I9QMcYIkGTWZ9qoBKVYlzXU=&h=624&w=1000&sz=142&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=I5xGCTP_r9D4uM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=206&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCalifornia%2BOffice%2Bof%2BEmergency%2BServices%2BUnits%2BModel%2B34%2BType%2B3%2BBrush%2BEngines%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1917%26bih%3D1072%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=127&vpy=92&dur=2349&hovh=177&hovw=284&tx=159&ty=74&ei=WFVJTMWyN8OQjAewqf2yDg&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.code2high.com/LACoFD%2520Miscellaneous/lacofd_oes_type3_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.code2high.com/lacofd_miscellaneous.htm&usg=__30TYRbzHai7G0JiuQ8QfWatjaRo=&h=709&w=1000&sz=169&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=Ca2g_JddaZZWmM:&tbnh=152&tbnw=207&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCalifornia%2BOffice%2Bof%2BEmergency%2BServices%2BUnits%2BModel%2B34%2BType%2B3%2BBrush%2BEngines%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1917%26bih%3D1072%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=356&vpy=87&dur=2499&hovh=189&hovw=267&tx=121&ty=85&ei=WFVJTMWyN8OQjAewqf2yDg&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

[dtmdragon]

Are some task forces made up with one or two ALS Engines or are they always BLS Engines?

Cheers,

Dan.

[Xplorer4x4]

They are always two bls engines. A regular task force is a truck(tiller) and 2 bls. Hazmat Task Force - 2 BLS and a Hazmat Truck. USAR Task Force - USAR Truck and 2 BLS.

[billyfromhill]

They are always two bls engines. A regular task force is a truck(tiller) and 2 bls. Hazmat Task Force - 2 BLS and a Hazmat Truck. USAR Task Force - USAR Truck and 2 BLS.

That's incorrect.

A USAR always rolls with the task force in their station. Someone from the TF will drive the USAR to the scene in addition to the TF responding. The whole station is USAR certified. Tge only excption to this is USAR 88, which will still respond with the TF but is staffed with two firefighters 24/7. As you can see in the photoset here, both TF 89 and USAR 89 are on the scene.

HAZMAT squads are slightly different, since they'll respond to regular structure fires and such. The entire station is HAZMAT certified, but the squad (with the exception of squad 95) is staffed with four firefighters in addition to the other units at the station. For HAZMAT responses the squad will usually roll with the TF, but for structure fires and such the squad will respond alone.

I recently came across a post on emtbravowest.com stating that all of B13's engines are assessment (due to the high call volume), so apparantly task force some task force engines are assessment, but only the ones in south LA.

[Xplorer4x4]

Oh? You didnt mention the ALS part when we were discussing task forces the other day

Billy knows his stuff so yeah if he says it hes probably right.

[billyfromhill]

I only came across it yesterday or the day before.

[Xplorer4x4]

What lightbar is that on the new BC SUVs?: