[HOLD] New York City Modification v2.0

[TheForceRD]

Looking great am excited, but quick question will NYPD have SRG unit with Machine Guns to be able to fight terrorism and protests? LOL!!!

[Newfoundking]

The NYPD has something similar to the SRG unit you speak of called the Emergency Service Unit. And yes, this mod does feature certain aspects of the ESU. 

[TheForceRD]

The NYPD has something similar to the SRG unit you speak of called the Emergency Service Unit. And yes, this mod does feature certain aspects of the ESU. 

NYPD will have both they will soon launch SRG and they will keep ESU too. 

[Fred03]

Maybe in a riot you would bring out the water cannon vehicle and bring in that truck and use it to fill up the water cannon vehicle

Now I may be wrong here but wouldn't it make FAR more sense to just fill water cannon vehicles (if NYPD even has any) from a fire hydrant?

[Corsair]

Yeah but what if your far from a fire hydrant 

[Newfoundking]

NYPD will have both they will soon launch SRG and they will keep ESU too. 

The SRG would have been outside of the cutoff of the time period, if it is still not launched yet, as this mod stops around 2010 or so. 

 

Now I may be wrong here but wouldn't it make FAR more sense to just fill water cannon vehicles (if NYPD even has any) from a fire hydrant?

NYPD Does have a water cannon truck. It's rarely used. https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBOkDZSY69ti0_trZsrqQ5_gHBP7OPhr04Dcd8jBMfc7kSn7xJVpzb5_Fs

I will not comment on whether it's in there or not. I just like watching you guys squirm

 

Yeah but what if your far from a fire hydrant 

Then you run out of water I guess. My understanding on how these things work is that they are prefilled before responding and if they run out, they're out of luck. I don't imagine that you would be able to easily fill one in the middle of a riot anyways

[Corsair]

Yeah that's true but it would be handy to have one

[rescue_nerd]

Oh my god, the screenshots of this mod look fantastic. I wish you good luck and I'm totally supportive of it.

[RiotGear]

There's also really no shortage of hydrents in NYC. Every block has a few of them and traffic are quick to tow cars parked within 15 feet of one. As was already mentioned though, DCU's water cannons just sit in lots and wouldn't be filled in the field regardless. The inclusion of the LRAD would make the disused water cannons needless anyway.

I'm still inclined to guess it's a fuel tanker given how spiffy the fuel limit on helicopters was in the US Army mod and the fact that the NYPD does indeed employ a whole lot of these trucks for that purpose. The only other possible purpose that comes to mind would be using it to decon a hazmat area I suppose, but I don't know that these trucks have ever been used for something like that.

Side note on the SRGs: These are still most likely going to be ESU officers. It's likely that the SRG will end up being something similar to the NYPD's existing model for their Hercules teams which consist of mostly CTU and ESU officers. Considering that ESU already only consists of a few hundred cops it seems unlikely that the Commissioner's plan of having 300 officers assigend to SRG will mean an entirely new force of officers whom would be roghly the equivilent of ESU anyway.

[TheHockeydude39]

The NYPD has a shitton of used and unused things. The fuel trucks used on a scene vary but FDNY has a refueling truck from that us a 550 with a gas pump/tank on the back. Whoever said that you can always change what liquid was inside, remind me not to take heating oil from you. In terms of FDNY, If your making boros you should take actual stations and place them roughly in there place. Example TL33, E22, B10 in Yorkville (UES). You could have Hazmat 1 and second piece on map if you put them down in a queens-ish sort of a place. And there is a big difference between just, post 9/11 and 2008. I think you have to narrow your time down.

[Newfoundking]

First off, no we're not doing Boroughs. If you look at the NYCERU team, and how they went to place parts of New York into the game, we're not looking to do that at all. We're looking to create a NY feel, not a NY copy. Stations are based on their real world counterparts, but does not mean that they will be placed identically to where they would be found in the real world, but rather we place them with what makes sense for the game. 

 

Secondly, we've never stated the tanker will carry fuel, which can be switched to water, which can be switched to gasoline. No. That was members. We're letting you guys figure it out. But it is a single purpose unit. 

 

Thirdly, in regards to the comment about post 9/11 to 2008. No narrowing down is needed actually. I'll play nice and not point out we don't NEED to do anything, except what we want, and just explain further. Post 9/11 means that we're not including blue NYPD cars, or the 90s cruisers. What it means is that most of the vehicles in it come from a mid point. If an abundance of pictures exist for random rare unit #1 in 2004, then we'll be looking to use that incarnation, whereas if random rare unit #2 doesn't have anything until 2007, then we'll be using that one. I think the newest model we've included is from 2008 or 2009, but the bulk of the units come from around the middle of that time period. 

 

As Mikey said, we're looking to create a New York Mod that is not focused on having the most recent units on the street, because it'd be perpetually focused on replacing units, so a time window was opened up for the mid millennium section to fix this

[Turk_WLF]

Ok, I'm a bit of a dummy would it comes to NYC & it's terms besides the Super Pumper System & the Satellites (Maxi-Water System). I'm just wondering what does "SRG" & "ETU" stands for...

 

Thanks,

[randomperson139]

Ok, I'm a bit of a dummy would it comes to NYC & it's terms besides the Super Pumper System & the Satellites (Maxi-Water System). I'm just wondering what does "SRG" & "ETU" stands for...

 

Thanks,

SRG is a new Strategic Response Group (I think?). I believe going to be primarily a counter terrorism unit. Someone else may have more info on this.

I assume by ETU you mean ESU which is the Emergency Service Unit, a specialist part of the NYPD which respond to a variety of calls, police and otherwise. Plenty of information about the ESU can be found if you google it.

[Turk_WLF]

My bad the "ETU" was a typo. I meant to say "CTU" instead.

[TheHockeydude39]

First off, no we're not doing Boroughs. If you look at the NYCERU team, and how they went to place parts of New York into the game, we're not looking to do that at all. We're looking to create a NY feel, not a NY copy. Stations are based on their real world counterparts, but does not mean that they will be placed identically to where they would be found in the real world, but rather we place them with what makes sense for the game. 

 

Secondly, we've never stated the tanker will carry fuel, which can be switched to water, which can be switched to gasoline. No. That was members. We're letting you guys figure it out. But it is a single purpose unit. 

 

Thirdly, in regards to the comment about post 9/11 to 2008. No narrowing down is needed actually. I'll play nice and not point out we don't NEED to do anything, except what we want, and just explain further. Post 9/11 means that we're not including blue NYPD cars, or the 90s cruisers. What it means is that most of the vehicles in it come from a mid point. If an abundance of pictures exist for random rare unit #1 in 2004, then we'll be looking to use that incarnation, whereas if random rare unit #2 doesn't have anything until 2007, then we'll be using that one. I think the newest model we've included is from 2008 or 2009, but the bulk of the units come from around the middle of that time period. 

 

As Mikey said, we're looking to create a New York Mod that is not focused on having the most recent units on the street, because it'd be perpetually focused on replacing units, so a time window was opened up for the mid millennium section to fix this

 

I understand that and your logic completely. I also know that it was members, It was sort of just thrown in there. Also, it was not my intention to sound like dick about you needed to do something. You don't.

[WildcatsMike]

My bad the "ETU" was a typo. I meant to say "CTU" instead.

I'm not actually from New York City and I don't spend a lot of time there, so I won't get this 100% right. Only been once and that was back in 2005 and that was for 2 days.

 

The NYPD Counter Terrorism Unit (Or CTU) focuses on combating potential terror attacks in the city of New York and the NYPD coverage grounds.

 

It was established back in 2002 after 9/11 so that the NYPD could monitor terror activity within New York and Worldwide without relying on Federal Agencies, i.e. the FBI or DoHS

 

I believe that it's basically a unit that monitors worldwide terror activity and raises the readiness and awareness of NYPD officers based on what is happening.

 

For example, if there was a series of terrorist attacks in another country, let's say Spain (Not that there would be one specifically in Spain) for this example, then the CTU will acknowledge it and take necessary action, such as increase amount of units patrolling, have special units on standby, evacuate certain buildings, etc.

 

They also do have an armored division, so they are similar to ESU (I believe). I'm thinking the SRG will be similar to this division.

 

Actual New Yorkers like TheHockeydude might be able to tell you more if you are still confused. I apologize if what i'm saying is completely wrong, this is just based on what I read in about 20 minutes.

[Turk_WLF]

Wildcats Mike,

 

Now that you said it, it makes senses. I guess I was thinking about Pre-9/11 NYC & not post 9/11 NYC.

[firefighter111]

NYPD will have both they will soon launch SRG and they will keep ESU too. 

 

 

There's also really no shortage of hydrents in NYC. Every block has a few of them and traffic are quick to tow cars parked within 15 feet of one. As was already mentioned though, DCU's water cannons just sit in lots and wouldn't be filled in the field regardless. The inclusion of the LRAD would make the disused water cannons needless anyway.

I'm still inclined to guess it's a fuel tanker given how spiffy the fuel limit on helicopters was in the US Army mod and the fact that the NYPD does indeed employ a whole lot of these trucks for that purpose. The only other possible purpose that comes to mind would be using it to decon a hazmat area I suppose, but I don't know that these trucks have ever been used for something like that.

Side note on the SRGs: These are still most likely going to be ESU officers. It's likely that the SRG will end up being something similar to the NYPD's existing model for their Hercules teams which consist of mostly CTU and ESU officers. Considering that ESU already only consists of a few hundred cops it seems unlikely that the Commissioner's plan of having 300 officers assigend to SRG will mean an entirely new force of officers whom would be roghly the equivilent of ESU anyway.

As I understand it, NYPD SRG is being created out of the old NYPD task forces. Task forces were comprised of patrol officers and each patrol division (i.e. Manhattan North, Manhattan South, Staten Island) had a task force. Task forces were assigned to a) provide additional patrols in high crime areas, b) provide a rapid rush of manpower to major incidents (i.e. plane crashes, natural disasters, etc.), and c) handle disorder control (riot police). Last I heard, NYPD was looking to dissolve these task forces, which would leave them without a disorder control unit(s). Second, after the Mumbai terror attacks, members of the Organized Crime Control Bureau (OCCB) were trained in limited tactical measures in case of large scale terror attacks where ESU would need assistance. Likely, some of the task force members were reassigned to this new Strategic Response Group, and then given some tactical training, as this new SRG will be responsible for disorder control in addition to counter terror operations. However it is highly unlikely that this SRG will have anywhere near the same tactical capabilities as ESU. ESU has always been NYPDs tactical unit, for whatever the operation, and they pride themselves on being the best of the best. As their saying goes "When a citizen needs help, they call the police. When the police need help, they call ESU." 

 

I'm not actually from New York City and I don't spend a lot of time there, so I won't get this 100% right. Only been once and that was back in 2005 and that was for 2 days.

 

The NYPD Counter Terrorism Unit (Or CTU) focuses on combating potential terror attacks in the city of New York and the NYPD coverage grounds.

 

It was established back in 2002 after 9/11 so that the NYPD could monitor terror activity within New York and Worldwide without relying on Federal Agencies, i.e. the FBI or DoHS

 

I believe that it's basically a unit that monitors worldwide terror activity and raises the readiness and awareness of NYPD officers based on what is happening.

 

For example, if there was a series of terrorist attacks in another country, let's say Spain (Not that there would be one specifically in Spain) for this example, then the CTU will acknowledge it and take necessary action, such as increase amount of units patrolling, have special units on standby, evacuate certain buildings, etc.

 

They also do have an armored division, so they are similar to ESU (I believe). I'm thinking the SRG will be similar to this division.

 

Actual New Yorkers like TheHockeydude might be able to tell you more if you are still confused. I apologize if what i'm saying is completely wrong, this is just based on what I read in about 20 minutes.

CTU does more than acknowledge terrorist attacks across the world, they have officers stationed around the world who respond to these terror attacks. These officers then in turn interact directly with local law enforcement at the scene of the terrorist attacks and report back to the NYPD brass and analysts in New York in real time, who then  use the information to coordinate the NYPD response. Therefore the NYPD is responding to possible terror threats in real time compared to other cities who may have to wait till the next day or two to get some version of a report from some other agency which may or may not address that city's concerns.

 

      Finally, just to add, while NYC does have a ton of law enforcement agencies, who all call themselves police, most are not full police and or do not really deal with true police emergencies. Most of these agencies have peace officers, which is a lower standard than police officer, and peace officers are only allowed to handle crimes/incidents specifically under their jurisdiction. I.e. department of health and hospitals police don't carry fire arms and really have no power outside of property owned by the department of health and hospitals. Or the sheriffs office, who is under control of the department of finance and really only handles city tax enforcement and civil law. So, the only real full service police department  in NYC, under control of NYC is the NYPD.

[Newfoundking]

Guys, we have an off topic forum you can discuss the SRG, and ESU, and CTU, and ABC, DEF and even GHI, but this isn't it....

[Corsair]

Yeah I agree with him, just send a message to each other and move on with your lives . Oh also TheHockeydude39 I was the one who said you could put any liquid in a tanker but you must of read wrong what I said was that if they didn't want to put fuel in the tanker then they could put whatever they want. It's their mod and it doesn't have to be realistic.

[Guest]

Guys, we have an off topic forum you can discuss the SRG, and ESU, and CTU, and ABC, DEF and even GHI, but this isn't it....

if only I could get onto that part of the site.

Gunswat

[Hoppah]

 

if only I could get onto that part of the site.


Gunswat

 

You should be able to post in the Off-Topic section. Did a little test: http://forum.emergency-planet.com/topic/10703-hang-out-topic/?p=291565

Any issues are not related to your account and your account has no specific restrictions.

 

 

 

MikeyPI,

 

The Satellites were designed as part of the Super Pumper System (as it was billed a fireboat on land) back when it was first built in the 1960s. Back when FDNY had large fires (large warehouses, etc. ) regularly & they need put lot of water on the fire & the original 3 satellites were designed to be portable monitor (4000 gpm) & Hose Tenders. the Super Pumper is one of the coolest Fire Apparatus ever built.

 

So you mean its dependent of Fire Engine's for its water. Kinda like this:

 

[Breidell]

Yea that seems about right hoppah here is a pretty good article with some pics of the super pumper system http://bangshift.com/bangshiftxl/mack-super-pumper-system-locomotive-engine-powered-pumper-extinguish-hell-often/

[Guest]

What browser did you use?cause I've used at least 6 and I can't post not even on other computers

Gunswat

[MikeyPI]

http://forum.emergency-planet.com/topic/10703-hang-out-topic/page-44#entry291577

 

Two different browsers say that it works 100% fine and there is no issue what so ever.