Kent (UK) Mod (Dev Release)

[Will Sturgess1999]

Maybe have pepper spray that damages animals? PCSOs have that type.

I know this isn't Canada but the Canadian K-9 units have special spray that subdues dogs

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[Xynox]

Yeah, that spray works on the same basis. Or have RSPCA respond to subdue the dog somehow?

[Guest]

Lol alpacas! That's new

Wonder why there's no models or animations of alpacas?

[Guest]

Here where I live when I was with the dog warden years ago there's different souloutions just depends on the situation really.

[matthew]

How about Community Wardens they deal with parking, dog's and noise complaints

[Griffo567]

Ok so I've got some suggestions/ questions:

I believe that the dog section have nooses attached to poles, so is it possible for u to capture the dog, create a dog section station and then put the dog attached to the noose into the car and take it to dog police station?

What about on the alarm computer, there are options, for instance you could label a button BA crew and then you would two fire fighters dress into kit and then BA, one in normal clothes drive and the officer be the BAE?? Just a thought, then you could do it for a normal crew or rtc etc.

Griffo

[Tom Smy]

would it be possible to put one of those baton round guns in for ARVs and public order officers? 

[Ace612]

Ok so I've got some suggestions/ questions:

I believe that the dog section have nooses attached to poles, so is it possible for u to capture the dog, create a dog section station and then put the dog attached to the noose into the car and take it to dog police station?

What about on the alarm computer, there are options, for instance you could label a button BA crew and then you would two fire fighters dress into kit and then BA, one in normal clothes drive and the officer be the BAE?? Just a thought, then you could do it for a normal crew or rtc etc.

Griffo

There was an "Arrest dog" script inSanta Catarina(?) modification. I believe it's the closest you can get to "capturing" it. Now if it could be assigned as a separate command to a specific animal control unit personnel...

[Handsup!]

How about Community Wardens they deal with parking, dog's and noise complaints

 

Street Wardens don't generally deal with dangerous dogs, more dog fouling and less confrontational crimes, police ARVs probably do respond to rabid dog calls (if you're referring to the conversation about the dog attack above). I don't really appreciate them, PCSOs are much better in my opinion and should be used more often. 

[Griffo567]

Any thoughts on the firefighters though?

[UKModMan]

EDIT: The dog section do carry poles with nooses which go around the jaw, but dog units aren't really deployed to dangerous dogs as much as they were, I mentioned a really complicated technique which I removed as most of the time the dogs are tased or shot by ARV officers (I'm proud to say a few weeks ago I managed to deal with a dangerous dog without using these methods, I really shouldn't have but decided against it)

 

Handsup, you are right, but the problem is with sending PCSOs in is that they have nothing they can use apart from hands (I believe they are occasionally given CS spray but that would be inconvenient for a dog due to the range you must be in to use it). I mentioned this above though ^^ 

 

 

I've started working as a Special Constable in Cumbria, I'm actually working alongside the dogs unit on drug searches now and was conveniently taught on what to do with aggressive dogs, and as there is no answer really yet, I'll answer.

Is the rabies dog attack really realistic, I mean one, would they call an arv or just an animal agency, and two I think it's very rare, will you be taking it out of the calls lost on the new map??

 

If we are raiding a house with an aggressive dog, all officers entering would wear the correct protective equipment against bites and one officer would carry a special "electric shield" which works with metal plates which conduct high voltage electricity when activated.

 

But for the sake of simplicity, I reckon using the arrest dog script would be a bit easier 

[Will Sturgess1999]

I've started working as a Special Constable in Cumbria, I'm actually working alongside the dogs unit on drug searches now and was conveniently taught on what to do with aggressive dogs, and as there is no answer really yet, I'll answer.

A rabies dog is very rare and there has been one isolated incident so far this year (I could be wrong), but calls for aggressive dogs are more common than you think, a lot of the time in Cumbria we get calls for dogs that have killed cattle etc. If we are going after the dog on the street, there is normally a taser officer (It may seem brutal, but wait) sent on scene. Once we arrive, the first thing we would do is ensure there's no immediate risk to the public and then start to make a perimeter, we then see if it's domesticated (Shouting commands at it such as sit and lie down etc). If that doesn't work and/or the dog is charging people, the taser officer would tase it. Some people think dogs die from this, the taser will work on ANY dog, whereas there are ways for humans to make tasers useless against them by wearing leather, and the effects can be more dramatic, but there haven't been any incidents (in Cumbria at least) where one has died.

If we are raiding a house with an aggressive dog, all officers entering would wear the correct protective equipment against bites and one officer would carry a special "electric shield" which works with metal plates which conduct high voltage electricity when activated.

But for the sake of simplicity, I reckon using the arrest dog script would be a bit easier

I've seen like officers go in with Fire extinguishers to subdue dogs? Is this actually true or for some different reasons?

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[XTXTactics]

I've seen like officers go in with Fire extinguishers to subdue dogs? Is this actually true or for some different reasons?

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Met Police use this method or did and they had a noose too

[Pottyscotty]

Ok so I've got some suggestions/ questions:

I believe that the dog section have nooses attached to poles, so is it possible for u to capture the dog, create a dog section station and then put the dog attached to the noose into the car and take it to dog police station?

What about on the alarm computer, there are options, for instance you could label a button BA crew and then you would two fire fighters dress into kit and then BA, one in normal clothes drive and the officer be the BAE?? Just a thought, then you could do it for a normal crew or rtc etc.

It's a good idea, I'll keep it in mind.

 

would it be possible to put one of those baton round guns in for ARVs and public order officers? 

Possibly if I can make one.

[Will Sturgess1999]

Met Police use this method or did and they had a noose too

No they didn't have a noose.... My county dog sections don't have nooses I don't think they have rope and like a door full of leads, harnesses and rope

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[Griffo567]

And maybe Kent don't have it and wether it's been mentioned but do Kent have hems rrv (car not helicopter :0)

[Pottyscotty]

And maybe Kent don't have it and wether it's been mentioned but do Kent have hems rrv (car not helicopter :0)

Yes it's a Volvo V70

[UKModMan]

I've seen like officers go in with Fire extinguishers to subdue dogs? Is this actually true or for some different reasons?

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Well if there is no taser or armed response officer at the scene and you need to act quickly and/or there are no other officers to respond you can "improvise". We got told that the fire extinguishers in the car work and some people say we use CS, which would be a bad idea as you need to be incredibly close to use it (I'm going to see if I can do a taser course in a few months so that I don't have to use CS).

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the dog is a fairly small one, as a taser has a chance to kill them we might use another method, or just tase it and hope for the best. Unfortunately a dog may have to die (thank god I've never witnessed it yet) to sacrifice public safety.

[Will Sturgess1999]

Well if there is no taser or armed response officer at the scene and you need to act quickly and/or there are no other officers to respond you can "improvise". We got told that the fire extinguishers in the car work and some people say we use CS, which would be a bad idea as you need to be incredibly close to use it (I'm going to see if I can do a taser course in a few months so that I don't have to use CS).

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the dog is a fairly small one, as a taser has a chance to kill them we might use another method, or just tase it and hope for the best. Unfortunately a dog may have to die (thank god I've never witnessed it yet) to sacrifice public safety.

What actually happens if the dog handler actually gets hold of the dog and puts it on a lead of leash? Does the dog section officer transport or someone else?

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[Handsup!]

Well if there is no taser or armed response officer at the scene and you need to act quickly and/or there are no other officers to respond you can "improvise". We got told that the fire extinguishers in the car work and some people say we use CS, which would be a bad idea as you need to be incredibly close to use it (I'm going to see if I can do a taser course in a few months so that I don't have to use CS).

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if the dog is a fairly small one, as a taser has a chance to kill them we might use another method, or just tase it and hope for the best. Unfortunately a dog may have to die (thank god I've never witnessed it yet) to sacrifice public safety.

 

Oh sorry, I meant PCSOs as in general purpose, rather than street wardens, unrelated to dogs.

 

CS probably isn't great to use on a dog, you're right, it spreads too much (PAVA is the superior incapacitant) and I'd imagine it'd only piss the dog off more.

[UKModMan]

EDIT: Fun fact, police dog cars are marked with the words "POLICE DOGS" as a woman was walking down the street when a police dog inside a car barked, she jumped and fell on the floor, I believe fracturing her hip. She complained to the police and thus these words were born. "AIR CONDITIONED" is on them as various complaints were sent with people worrying about the dogs overheating.

What actually happens if the dog handler actually gets hold of the dog and puts it on a lead of leash? Does the dog section officer transport or someone else?


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Dog handlers are sometimes sent to dangerous dog calls, but not as much as they used to be (in Cumbria anyway), I think I mentioned this in the post on the previous page. This is due to the danger to the dog and the fact that it's too dangerous to actually approach the dog without specialist equipment which dog handlers do not routinely carry. Some people think they carry tasers, a lot of the time they don't. A dog is like a taser.. with teeth.. which you can't use against other dogs (Electric shields, tasers or anything that can subdue the dog).

 

Also, the dog being controlled without being shot or tased is very rare, but in the event it happens the dog will usually be put down.

 

Oh sorry, I meant PCSOs as in general purpose, rather than street wardens, unrelated to dogs.

 

CS probably isn't great to use on a dog, you're right, it spreads too much (PAVA is the superior incapacitant) and I'd imagine it'd only piss the dog off more.

 

I personally don't like using either sprays on a dog, as you said it just pisses it off more. When I took down the dog I mentioned in the last one I had the option of PAVAing it, breaking its leg with a baton (This is an option I didn't mention before as it's shady, not much people have heard of it and it's very dangerous, usually only used if the dog is actually right infront of you) or tackling it. I decided to tackle it as it gives me full control of the dog (If PAVA doesn't work as I wanted it too it could've just ran round like mad). 

 

As for using PCSOs, we call them Plastic Copper Support Officers, they're not too useful for policing and I also think they should replace street wardens.

[Will Sturgess1999]

EDIT: Fun fact, police dog cars are marked with the words "POLICE DOGS" as a woman was walking down the street when a police dog inside a car barked, she jumped and fell on the floor, I believe fracturing her hip. She complained to the police and thus these words were born. "AIR CONDITIONED" is on them as various complaints were sent with people worrying about the dogs overheating.

Dog handlers are sometimes sent to dangerous dog calls, but not as much as they used to be (in Cumbria anyway), I think I mentioned this in the post on the previous page. This is due to the danger to the dog and the fact that it's too dangerous to actually approach the dog without specialist equipment which dog handlers do not routinely carry. Some people think they carry tasers, a lot of the time they don't. A dog is like a taser.. with teeth.. which you can't use against other dogs (Electric shields, tasers or anything that can subdue the dog).

Also, the dog being controlled without being shot or tased is very rare, but in the event it happens the dog will usually be put down.

I personally don't like using either sprays on a dog, as you said it just pisses it off more. When I took down the dog I mentioned in the last one I had the option of PAVAing it, breaking its leg with a baton (This is an option I didn't mention before as it's shady, not much people have heard of it and it's very dangerous, usually only used if the dog is actually right infront of you) or tackling it. I decided to tackle it as it gives me full control of the dog (If PAVA doesn't work as I wanted it too it could've just ran round like mad).

As for using PCSOs, we call them Plastic Copper Support Officers, they're not too useful for policing and I also think they should replace street wardens.

Wouldn't tackling put your life in danger?

Also you sound like a police officer In my county. He really doesn't like PCSOS and feels it's them that put their life I'm danger sometimes

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[UKModMan]

Wouldn't tackling put your life in danger?

Also you sound like a police officer In my county. He really doesn't like PCSOS and feels it's them that put their life I'm danger sometimes

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Tackling would be seen by some other police officers as idiotic, but spraying with PAVA would mean you getting in similar range to the range you have to be in to jump on the dog. As soon as you jump on the dog, they are instantly helpless.

 

Other officers will tell you that when you're in an emergency you do "stupid" stuff sometimes. My dad (now an Inspector in the Police) attended a house fire a couple years ago when he was a Sergeant, he went into the building filled with smoke and nearly got trapped. He showed me a video of it and one of the firefighters wearing BA came out coughing and wheezing, so it must've been some pretty intense sh*t.

[Will Sturgess1999]

Tackling would be seen by some other police officers as idiotic, but spraying with PAVA would mean you getting in similar range to the range you have to be in to jump on the dog. As soon as you jump on the dog, they are instantly helpless.

Other officers will tell you that when you're in an emergency you do "stupid" stuff sometimes. My dad (now an Inspector in the Police) attended a house fire a couple years ago when he was a Sergeant, he went into the building filled with smoke and nearly got trapped. He showed me a video of it and one of the firefighters wearing BA came out coughing and wheezing, so it must've been some pretty intense sh*t.

Jeez..... Is he I know? Like he didn't get burnt of anything? Things like that can have repercussions later on in life but hey that's the job description. Where I live we had a EDL march go severely wrong and ended up having riots in my county and the now Chief Inspector went with about 5 other officers to tackle a large group of rioters...... They did sustain injuries but they got it under control. Now every time I see him ( we are pretty good friends) he says he does stuff because it's what you do in situations... You put other peoples life's first... And he has always taught me that

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[Guest]

Wow! Very interesting stories guys really intriguing and learning a lot about what you actually have to do when it comes to it