theocd Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 nope, you are wrong, it is a military based unit,.. GIPN is police based,..Sorry to turn this into an arguement but I am currently reading in a Special Forces book that 'GIGN take its orders from the French Ministry Of Defence, but its members remain policemen, with powers of arrest...' and 'Most of the 700 or so GIGN actions have been police operations.' They even refer to the men as Officers instead of Troops and they prefer to arrest rather than kill.Unless the book is wrong, which is possible. The OC-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter42 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Moscow theathar hostige crisis is another example of the "good" SF of Russia,... the training might be good, and look nice, but they have to prove it in missions,..What's concerning is that the Moscow theatre was two years before the school hostage situation, and tghey clearly didn't learn from mistakes. What's even more concerning is that the Russians considered the theatre crisis to be a great success...I watched a special episode of Rescue 911 that was an incident from Russia (it's on youtube) where it was two people taken hostage. Basically, the Russians got fed up of negotiating and shot their way through the door, which resulted in the hostage taker and 1 hostage to be killed. That was also considered a success...I think I'll stay away from the mean streets of Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1988 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Sorry to turn this into an arguement but I am currently reading in a Special Forces book that 'GIGN take its orders from the French Ministry Of Defence, but its members remain policemen, with powers of arrest...' and 'Most of the 700 or so GIGN actions have been police operations.' They even refer to the men as Officers instead of Troops and they prefer to arrest rather than kill.Unless the book is wrong, which is possible. The OC-DGIGN takes order from French Ministry of Defence - so does army too,.... but they are not policeman, as the name sugest Groupe d'Intervention de la Gendarmerie Nationale it is a part of the military force called Gendarmerie. But yeah, GIGN units are closer to enhanced SWAT teams than to pure military units such as the British SAS. Its operators are trained to follow police regulations and include negotiation and investigation specialist Everything you read is wright, except that they are policeman,.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1988 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 What's concerning is that the Moscow theatre was two years before the school hostage situation, and tghey clearly didn't learn from mistakes. What's even more concerning is that the Russians considered the theatre crisis to be a great success...I watched a special episode of Rescue 911 that was an incident from Russia (it's on youtube) where it was two people taken hostage. Basically, the Russians got fed up of negotiating and shot their way through the door, which resulted in the hostage taker and 1 hostage to be killed. That was also considered a success...I think I'll stay away from the mean streets of Russia Yeah, how could it be sucsessfull missions with more than a 100 killed hostiges?? And their tactic was so wrong! The theatar was full with planted bombs, and yet they decided to use gas througthout vents,.... I dont get it, why they werent thinking if terrorist see gas that they would activet the bombs?,.. and yes it can be a sucess because most of the bombs were fake,.... but still idiotic decision to gas througt the vents,.. and then the gas used was also unknown,... Their tactics are wrong,.... and thats why their SF sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter42 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 And their tactic was so wrong! The theatar was full with planted bombs, and yet they decided to use gas througthout vents,.... I dont get it, why they werent thinking if terrorist see gas that they would activet the bombs?,.. and yes it can be a sucess because most of the bombs were fake,.... but still idiotic decision to gas througt the vents,.. and then the gas used was also unknown,...I watched a documentory on the incident, and it was said that the terrorists would not set off the bombs without the go ahead from their leader, who wasn't present as the gas came in.Most people died from either intoxication from the gas or from being crushed by the pile of bodies that the authorities put into buses since there was not enough ambulances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1988 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I watched a documentory on the incident, and it was said that the terrorists would not set off the bombs without the go ahead from their leader, who wasn't present as the gas came in.Most people died from either intoxication from the gas or from being crushed by the pile of bodies that the authorities put into buses since there was not enough ambulances.why the hell they didnt use stationary medical center outside theatre,... if they didnt have enough ambulances? or use nearby buildings as a triage center,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917893678251 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 China and Russia's way of handling situations is the same.China handled riots by getting tanks and firing in the 1989 tiananmen square protests.The chinese police are also tired of negotiating most of the time so they shoot the hostage taker/takers down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc123 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 China and Russia's way of handling situations is the same.China handled riots by getting tanks and firing in the 1989 tiananmen square protests.You sometimes disturb me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917893678251 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 You sometimes disturb me.That was unneeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PFC-RomesburgArmy Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Grundy County Krisis Intervention Team (K.I.T.) based in Trenton, MO. est. 1996Team includes City Officers, County Officers, & Two County Paramedics.Overall Team including the Reserve officer adds up to be 18 officers.Weapons include:M4-A1MP5Bennelli M1 ShotgunGlock 21Trenton Police Dept. Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swatlord Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yeah, how could it be sucsessfull missions with more than a 100 killed hostiges?? And their tactic was so wrong! The theatar was full with planted bombs, and yet they decided to use gas througthout vents,.... I dont get it, why they werent thinking if terrorist see gas that they would activet the bombs?,.. and yes it can be a sucess because most of the bombs were fake,.... but still idiotic decision to gas througt the vents,.. and then the gas used was also unknown,... Their tactics are wrong,.... and thats why their SF sucks.You can't see the "gas" all the time. There are a lot of gasses that are clear and have little to no oder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917893678251 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 The tank one was messed up though,firing and killing the hostages+hostage takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1988 Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 You can't see the "gas" all the time. There are a lot of gasses that are clear and have little to no oderBut they definitly were aware of the gas attack,.. because when it started it caused panic in auditorium,..The Chechens, some of whom were equipped with gas masks, did not set off any explosives or fire on their hostages once the storming got under way. /pure luck Instead, the terrorists responded with firing blindly at the Russian positions outside. After thirty minutes, when the gas had taken effect, a physical assault on the building commenced.Long thirty minutes!!!very long,... - bad tactic - bad planing - bad SF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ami89E1234 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Meh, GSG9 is the best special forces unit in the world.StLCoPD has TACT:I'm sure you'll find their vehicles somewhere in here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie1988 Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 The tank one was messed up though,firing and killing the hostages+hostage takers.hahaha breaching,.. breaching,.. oh shit,... they could also bomb him by plane to make sure,..Meh, GSG9 is the best special forces unit in the world.StLCoPD has TACT:I'm sure you'll find their vehicles somewhere in here:is that a command post vehicle in the back of the pic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grizzly Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 News From Italy:Polizia, Squadra Mobile and Carabinieri, Ordine Pubblico (RIOT PATROL)Polizia NOCS and Carabinieri GIS & ROS (Special Ops) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ami89E1234 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 is that a command post vehicle in the back of the pic?Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplorer4x4 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Do you have any information about equipment they use? any action videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx3yyDFSKS4SWAT responding to a suicidal suspect with a rifle and a clear shot at an elementary school.http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8466/03...708ab450t60.jpgSuspect with Rifle Near a High Schoolhttp://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4703/thursdaymorning.jpgNot sure what was going on here. Suicidal stand off I think.http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9762/20...37pic186043.jpghttp://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9790/20...37pic723693.jpgCant recall exactly what happened here but it was an armed stand off near a school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundking Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 STFUPlease play niceFrom China, maybe, live in China. No. So please just STFU.Once again, play niceON-TOPIC STUFFI fully understand you're getting a little edgy with him because he is always talking about china, and it does get annoying after a bit to hear anyone repeat anything. Your girlfriend could sit down saying she loves you and that's all she would say, and after a while, you'd get pretty tired of it. Everything gets annoying after a while, but STFU is not a good way to deal with it.. That's my opinion anyways.We all realize that it is annoying when he raves about China. But you don't gotta be dick about it.AgreedAcknowledging you posted, just not replying.Before anyone posts anything else, leave it be, we have taken care of it, please drop it. I have an open PM box, if you want to complain, or sook, or whine or "add useful input to this matter" please do so through there... I'm going to trust you guys to be a little mature, and then I won't have to warn anyone, delete anyone's posts or suspend posting privileges. I'm a nice guy, and I'm giving you a chance to drop it and move on, if I come back tomorrow morning, and this is a mess with flaming or even referring to it, then I'm going to get upset, and I'll retract my no deleting and no warning statement. Sounds fair if you ask me. I'm giving you a chance to be mature and all move on. If not, warnings and suspension are in your futures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917893678251 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Korean SWAthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bR1w9PDwRMI thought something was missing in this thread.Taiwan SWAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc123 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Korean SWAthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bR1w9PDwRMI thought something was missing in this thread.Taiwan SWAT Korean SWAT looks good. Taiwan SWAT looks like a bunch of grown men practicing martial arts. Not tactical drills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
917893678251 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 ,Taiwan SWAT training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundking Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Aren't the Taiwanese SWAT like supposed to be mostly martial arts kinda stuff, instead of like Western SWAT teams where they just go in in formation and with guns?Kinda like new age ninjas with Kevlar and automatic weapons form my understanding of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplorer4x4 Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Before anyone posts anything else, leave it be, we have taken care of it, please drop it. I have an open PM box, if you want to complain, or sook, or whine or "add useful input to this matter" please do so through there... I'm going to trust you guys to be a little mature, and then I won't have to warn anyone, delete anyone's posts or suspend posting privileges. I'm a nice guy, and I'm giving you a chance to drop it and move on, if I come back tomorrow morning, and this is a mess with flaming or even referring to it, then I'm going to get upset, and I'll retract my no deleting and no warning statement. Sounds fair if you ask me. I'm giving you a chance to be mature and all move on. If not, warnings and suspension are in your futures!Well nothing was ever done about it, so assuming its been resolved, its about damn time! THANK YOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ami89E1234 Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I say whenever someone is stupid that Stan should find them and come to them dressed as Pedo Bear and... teach them a lesson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
