Thanks, that worked. Found the turnto and the water. I'm now attempting a tweaked up new freeplay map. I've made the floor, saved it, imported it and have started work on on Firestation 1's VO's. I made a few of the streets, 1 spawnpoint and one path - Just to check it out. When I try to start the freeplay (this is a LAMod/4x4/YSB based FP map) the game CTDs. Not sure what is broken or why it wont load. I have not done the minimap yet, is that why I'm getting the CTD? - edit - Meh, it's jacked up. Map loads, but the only vehicle that spawns is the ambulance and I get a gate1 script error at the start.